and even bill clinton cited by president obama as a model boosted growth as well, raised taxes, but also reduced regulation, and used the tax revenues to help balance the budget. and the end of the payroll tax cut, which you mentioned earlier, was also was a temporary hit, in fact, to the consumer's pocket book, handing out money from the government, money it doesn't have and has to borrow, doesn't do any lasting good for the economy. listen. >> it's not a recession, but it certainly isn't the kind of recovery that we've had in the past. >> democrats, megyn, have a different view on the reasons of course, but agree the economy is crawling along and needs more help from the government at least for now. >> it's good to see you back. >> nice to see you. >> glad to see you again. >> thanks, coming up now, steve moore, a senior economics writer for the wall street journal. want your thoughts on this, steve. on the one hand you've got the payroll tax hikes that everybody suffers who pays taxes and you've got the gas prices that everybody is suffering from and got this unemployment rate, so on.